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posted by [personal profile] minervacat at 12:13pm on 04/01/2006 under
(or, Why Everyone Everywhere (But Especially People In Fandom Who Read A Lot Of Fic) Should Be Using A Social Bookmarking Site; or, I Told [livejournal.com profile] queenofalostart I Would Write This Up) [edited to reflect changes in del.icio.us, 07.25.06]

it is no secret that i think del.icio.us, a social bookmarking site that uses tags for organization, is just about the best thing in the entire universe. it is also no secret that del.icio.us has changed my life for the better, in terms of everything from being able to find that stargate atlantis story where rodney orders a john as a mail order bride to keeping track of all the best of music lists from this year to being able to sort my thesis research out by viewing other people's bookmarks.

but still, still despite all my preaching, not all of you are using del.icio.us. why not? is it scary? do you just not bookmark enough stuff to make it worthwhile? because i really am telling you: this site will change the way you file information, and it will change the way that you use the internet. i swear.


i. getting started

to use del.icio.us, you have to create a user account. del.icio.us is case sensitive1, so if you use capital letters in your username, you have to use them again every time you log in. just remember that for the future.

once you've created an account, you can start adding bookmarks. the first thing you want to do is either to add del.icio.us's "browser buttons" to your browser toolbar, or if you use firefox, you can get an extension to alter the top bar of your browser, which allows an unobtrusive pop up menu for bookmarking and tagging and allows you to stay on the same page with no interference.

now go to your firefox (internet explorer, netscape, safari) bookmarks. pick out some you wish you had at work when they were bookmarked at home, or at home when they were bookmarked at work. choose the "post to del.icio.us" option; depending on whether you're using the extension or the browser buttons, you will either get a pop up window or del.icio.us will automatically take you to a new window. (del.icio.us now has the option to do a full import of your browser bookmarks; i'd transferred all mine to the site before they launched it, but apparently it works pretty well.)

the firefox extension bookmarking window has four boxes: one for url, one for title, one for any notes that you'd like to include about the bookmark (summary, opinions, etc) and one for tags. the first two are required; the second two are not. but why would you use del.icio.us if you weren't going to add tags? it lets you highlight text on a page and will automatically put that in the notes section. if you use firefox and del.icio.us, use this extension. it's fantastic.

which brings us to my next part.

edited to add: [livejournal.com profile] lalejandra and [livejournal.com profile] smashsc just reminded me of something you should know: the url you bookmark matters. if you're bookmarking a livejournal page, don't bookmark the spot in the page where you left a comment - bookmark only the main url, everything up through the end of the ".html". if you have to append "?style=mine" to the bookmark (and i do, because i probably think your s2 layout is ugly and impossible to read), do that. but for god's sake, don't bookmark to comment threads unless the comment thread is what you want to save. delete "#cutid1" from the end of urls before you bookmark. keep your urls as clean as you can.

ii. tagging for dummies

you can choose to tag your bookmark however you want; it doesn't matter to me. but here are some hints i've found helpful in using del.icio.us, so maybe you will, too.

first: del.icio.us, unlike flickr, doesn't recognize multi-word tags, even inside quotation marks. tags must be all one word, or multiple words separated only by punctuation.

second: use short, to-the-point tags. except in the cases of things like "aliensmadethemdoit", which is purposefully wacky, long tags are not your friends in del.icio.us. they don't turn up a lot of other hits, they make it hard for other people to find things. "recipes", "osx", "basketball", "porn". these are good tags. "osxbasketballporn" (and if you're tagging that, oh, god, i really don't want to know) is not a good tag.

third: don't overtag. i fall victim to this myself, sometimes, especially when tagging fanfiction with multiple pairings where all the pairings are important, but i try to limit myself to five tags per link. any more and your tags are useless - you can't remember where you put something because you put it everywhere. when you bookmark something, consider the most important elements of why you want to keep it - and tag it to those elements specifically.

fourth: consider the "and ## other people" option while tagging; if you bookmark something that a lot of other people have already bookmarked, consider clicking on that link before the bookmark and seeing how they've tagged the link. it can help you to refine your vocabulary and create a set of bookmarks that aren't just useful for you - they're useful for everyone. del.icio.us is a social bookmarking site; make it social.

fifth: keep your tags clean. you can use the settings page (del.icio.us/settings/[username]/tags) to rename tags if you change your mind about something, to delete duplicate tags (i am a bad typist, so i am constantly deleting mis-typed tags), to basically keep your bookmarks clean with a global search and replace. learn it, live it, love it. CLEAN TAGS FOREVER!

iii. tagging for dummies, part two

now if you start using del.icio.us and find that you've suddenly got a lot of bookmarks and a lot of tags, there are a couple of things you can do. first, your del.icio.us page will view a lot better if you choose the "cloud" option from the tag box on the right side instead of a list.

and second, you can start to use tag bundles (del.icio.us/settings/[username]/bundle). these setting allows you to group tags together in bundles on your main page, and the bundles can then be hidden or shown depending on your often you use them. i love this option. i have several hundred tags, and i would never find anything if i couldn't bundle them together. feel free to take a look at my main page to get an idea of how i've used them; i could still stand to break the unbundled tags down a little more, but for me, it works.

iv. making del.icio.us work for you (and all your friends)

first: know the settings page (del.icio.us/settings/[username]/). learn it. live it. love it. it's the only way to customize del.icio.us into being an application that works for you. all the neatest tricks of del.icio.us? are manipulated from the settings page.

like, for example, the inbox & the network. the network is, for all intents and purposes, a friends page for del.icio.us - it's a low-level rss reader that delivers feeds straight to a page customized for you. it rocks. it's pretty much the only way i find anything these days.

using the inbox/network: there are three ways to use these pages. you can subscribe to all tags posted by a user (on the network); you can subscribe to individual tags posted by a user (on the inbox); and you can subscribe to global tags, posted by all users on del.icio.us (on the inbox).

on the top of any user's page (del.icio.us/[username]), you can add the user to your network by clicking "add [username] to my network". this can be good, if you have similar enough tastes and interests to want to see all of someone's bookmarks. this can be bad, if you don't.

which brings me to option two: subscribing to one user's individual tags. say someone posts a lot of recipes you want to see, but you're not interested in the political postings they make; on the inbox/settings page, you can subscribe to their username and their "recipes" tag. simply enter their username in the "username" box and recipes in the "tag" box.

and the final option for subscription: global tags. want to see everything tagged "sga" that's posted to del.icio.us? on the inbox/settings page, enter sga in the "tag" box and nothing in the username box. this can be dangerous: global tags can be incredibly high traffic with an extremely high rate of repetition in links, but if you don't mind that, well, interesting stuff comes through that way. drives me absolutely batty, but whatever floats your boat.

now that we've covered the inbox, here's a helpful hint for making your del.icio.us bookmarks useful: use the notes section. use it. love it. edit the page title box so that it's entirely clearly what the link is about - don't just default to whatever people have titled their pages. there's nothing in the world more frustrating than trying to find that one link you know you bookmarked but you can't remember what it was called or how you tagged it, and NONE OF YOUR NOTES SECTIONS ARE FILLED. i, ah, i totally don't speak from experience. at all. really, i swear.

feel free to check out my network if you want an idea of how it works. (you can set your network to private, if you don't want people to see whose bookmarks you're viewing. but if you add someone to your network, they can see that you're watching theirs; but only they can see that.)

besides the inbox, you have the option of viewing multiple tags on any user's page: simply separate the two tags that you'd like to see an intersection of and go, like this - all my lnks that are tagged both "tagging" and "metadata".

and finally, the "for" tag: you can tag a link "for:[username]" (minus quotes and brackets, plus an actual username) and that link will be sent directly to that user, whether or not that user is subscribed to your feed. something you think i should see about controlled vocabularies or tagging? send it along by tagging it "for:minervacat". it's awesome.

v. and finally

let me just point you to the two best del.icio.us resources out there: the several habits of wildly successful del.icio.us users, which outlines how to use del.icio.us to best advantage, and the complete del.icio.us tool collection - firefox plugins galore, integration with moveable type blogs, anything you can think of wanting, it's here.


so. now. go and bookmark, darlings, and tell me your del.icio.us usernames so i can effectively stalk you. (unless i am already stalking you, in which case, please carry on with the good links.) or don't - i am most certainly not the boss of any of you, you don't have to do what i say.

right. now if you'll excuse me, i have some slacking off at work to do.


1: case sensitive in the idea that if you use "Recipes" as a tag, the capital letter will show up and you should continue capitalizing that tag whenever you tag a new recipe; not case sensitive in that the overall search engine sees "Recipes" and "recipes" as the same thing. confusing, i know.
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posted by [personal profile] listersgirl at 05:45pm on 04/01/2006
I have to say, when I started putting all my bookmarks on a My Yahoo page a few years ago, it was a revelatory moment for me. All my bookmarks! Accessible from anywhere! And not just sitting on a computer where anyone could read them! ::bliss::
 
posted by [identity profile] minervacat.livejournal.com at 05:55pm on 04/01/2006
isn't it just, though? i prefer del.icio.us to my yahoo because the design is cleaner, less cluttered, and less image heavy - the yahoo pages sometimes take way too long to load, and i can't deal with that. plus, are bookmarks there viewable to the public, or just the user? because the social aspect of it, letting people see what i bookmark, is definitely part of why i like it.

but certainly the idea of having all your bookmarks in one place, regardless of what place that is, accessible from anywhere? that's awesome.
 
posted by [identity profile] zannah.livejournal.com at 05:47pm on 04/01/2006
I totally recommend Cocoalicious (http://www.scifihifi.com/cocoalicious/) as an OSX helper for del.icio.us. I find it handy!
 
posted by [identity profile] minervacat.livejournal.com at 05:51pm on 04/01/2006
oooh, yay, thank you! i will check it out when i get home from (away from the pc).
 
posted by [identity profile] fitofpique.livejournal.com at 05:54pm on 04/01/2006
not all of you are using del.icio.us. why not?

do you really want people to answer this question? i'll give it a go.

the primary reasons i don't use delicious, and no i'm not punctuating it like that, is that i already bookmark things for myself old school (and I don't necessarily want those links accessible to everyone), store things in memories and my website (for myself and others), and tag things on lj (for others, ostensibly, because i sure as hell never look at them), so i just can't be bothered to start organizing things anywhere else. it's a massive time suck. also, i use the internet most at work, where at any given time i have three email programs and my lj (or both my ljs) open and the idea of having another website to monitor is offputting. and, finally, it seems too much like work, all this endless cross-referencing, and i have work work to contend with so my time is limited and i'd rather be reading or writing fic than cataloguing it.

so yeah, that's why i don't use it, in case you are actually interested. don't hate me!
 
posted by [identity profile] minervacat.livejournal.com at 06:03pm on 04/01/2006
of course i really want answers. the community building aspect of sites like delicious is part of what my thesis is about - and i'm curious when people don't choose to put themselves in that kind of situation. does that make sense?

anyway, your answer is a perfectly good one, and i absolutely don't hate you. software like that's not for everyone - i think it should be, but i know it isn't. *grin*

*squish*
 
posted by [identity profile] greensilver.livejournal.com at 05:58pm on 04/01/2006
This was helpful - not just for the technical bits, but because it cleared up a few things I've been wondering about del.icio.us ... what people use it for, the ways in which they use it. (I just made a post about recs and del.icio.us here (http://www.livejournal.com/users/greensilver/269744.html) - your timing couldn't have been better. *g*)
 
posted by [identity profile] minervacat.livejournal.com at 06:06pm on 04/01/2006
well, to answer one of your questions in that post - and i need to go back and read it carefully again - BUT i use blurbs because anything i bookmark in delicious i consider a rec. not necessarily a why you should read this rec, but a i-liked-this-story-i-think-it's-good rec. and i use blurbs instead of actual recs for myself - it helps me remember what story is what.

otherwise i spend half an hour trying to find that one story where john sheppard threw major lorne and a goat out of an airplane at the air force academy and failing miserably because i didn't pick a distinctive enough pull quote.
 
posted by [identity profile] lalejandra.livejournal.com at 05:59pm on 04/01/2006
You might also want to make a note that the URL you input matters! What do I hate more than clicking on someone's link to find that they have linked me to THEIR comment on someone's story, rather than the story itself? NOT MUCH. That can actually be helpful when you *do* want to link to, say, a comment thread in livejournal (which you can't do in your memories) instead of the original post itself.
 
posted by [identity profile] minervacat.livejournal.com at 06:09pm on 04/01/2006
What do I hate more than clicking on someone's link to find that they have linked me to THEIR comment on someone's story, rather than the story itself?

SERIOUSLY, YO. i hate that like burning.
 
posted by [identity profile] smashsc.livejournal.com at 06:02pm on 04/01/2006
fourth: consider the "and ## other people" option while tagging
I really wish people would consider the "and ## other people" when selecting the URL to tag too, this is particularly an issue for LJ links. For instance, if someone tags reallyhotstoryURL and some one else tags reallyhotstoryURL?style=mine or reallyhotstoryURL#cutid3 del.icio.us does not know that those are the same story and the "and ## other people" tag is not correct, which makes it harder to find other people who are tagging interesting things in del.icio.us and stalk them.

I also wish more people would use the notes field for a pull quote or a descriptor so that I'm not clicking as blindly on links.

Oh, and I can't actually see your inbox by following that URL so maybe it isn't public.
 
posted by [identity profile] minervacat.livejournal.com at 06:08pm on 04/01/2006
Oh, and I can't actually see your inbox by following that URL so maybe it isn't public.

that's because i suck and the url was wrong. i fixed it, you should be able to see it now - and i know they're public because i poke around other people's all the time. *sheepish*

I really wish people would consider the "and ## other people" when selecting the URL to tag too, this is particularly an issue for LJ links

i hear you completely on that one - and at the same time, i don't. because any lj link that's in the user's style? i bookmark as ?style=mine. if other people can read stories on individual user styles, more power to them, but i can't. and so i screw things up, i suppose. *grin*
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posted by [identity profile] traveller.livejournal.com at 06:07pm on 04/01/2006
also, i am not smart.

take two:

i use wists (http://wists.com/colleen) often, which is great because it joins an image of your choosing from the page (or a thumbnail snapshot of the page itself) to your bookmark so that you can sort of just roll your eyes over the page and be like, yeah, that one. so far the only drawbacks are that your images can disappear or change without warning if changes are made to the page, so you have to delete the bookmark and re-do it if/when that happens.

the main reason i don't have more shit on there is because i forget i have it sometimes.

 
posted by [identity profile] minervacat.livejournal.com at 06:15pm on 04/01/2006
see, that is really cool. that is an amazingly cool application of technology. but maybe a different kind of application than delicious; both bookmarking, sure, but images versus tags to catalogue things. does that make sense? anyway, i did not know that wists even existed, and now i have to check it out.

yay.
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posted by [personal profile] starfishchick at 06:22pm on 04/01/2006
I am starfishchick on del.whateverthewackypunctuation is, but the only things I have there are YOUR pages! I just haven't had the time to move my stuff, or - as of yet - the need.

I think if I started using it, I'd understand it better, and use it more. I think.
 
posted by [identity profile] minervacat.livejournal.com at 07:10pm on 04/01/2006
and, see, you could not even have to bookmark my pages - you could just use the inbox to subscribe to those tags of mine, and they'll automatically show up in your inbox if i ever add anything new. :)
 
posted by [identity profile] xayide79.livejournal.com at 06:30pm on 04/01/2006
As of 2 minutes ago, I am xayide79 on that site you recommended in this post. I'm still at work, so I haven't added any links yet.

I use Yahoo Bookmarks a lot, but I dumped the Yahoo toolbar when I got the new hottness, so I don't have a convienient way to update it anymore.
 
posted by [identity profile] minervacat.livejournal.com at 07:19pm on 04/01/2006
delicious has a great firefox toolbar tool; i love it to death. super easy to use and very sleek.
 
posted by [identity profile] bear.livejournal.com at 06:37pm on 04/01/2006
not all of you are using del.icio.us. why not? is it scary? do you just not bookmark enough stuff to make it worthwhile?

I'm genuinely puzzled because I've seen people raving about delicious for months, but I feel like I must be missing something because the cost/benefit math just doesn't work.

To me, delicious seems like something that costs a measurable amount of time (probably not significant, once everything is up and running, but definitely measurable, since more than just hitting ctrl+D is involved) and conveys no benefit to me. I mean, I get that it means my bookmarks will be accessible from anywhere, but the number of times I've been inconvenienced by not having my bookmarks available away from my computer is, like, almost zero. I almost always have my laptop with me. When I don't, I rarely have problems: if a site is important enough to me that I visit it all the time, I've got the URL memorized anyway; if it's some bit of information that I might occasionally need, I can probably find it via a quick google search. If it's anything else -- fic, etc. -- it's probably not something that I need to access Right This Second anyway, and in the rare cases that it is, a "dear livejournal, please help!" post seems to take care of that pretty quickly.

I also get that I could search other people's stuff and find things that are interesting to me, but I'm not really actively seeking out fic these days -- and when I do actively seek it out, there are recs pages and recs communities and memories and my GINORMOUS "to read" list.

I mean, am I missing something totally huge, here? What's the up side? I like to keep my life (and my bookmarks, and my hard drive) organized on principle, but I see no compelling reason to spend more time organizing my life for the convenience of strangers on the internet -- which is what delicious (and lj tags, for that matter) seem to be asking of me.
 
posted by [identity profile] minervacat.livejournal.com at 07:15pm on 04/01/2006
(probably not significant, once everything is up and running, but definitely measurable, since more than just hitting ctrl+D is involved)

if you make the committment to convert all your bookmarks like i did, it's incredibly time consuming, but once i had it set up, i added the firefox extension to my firefox toolbar, and now when i want to bookmark something, i highlight a selection, click one button, and type the first two letters of every tag i want to use. it gives me a dropdown list of choices for those tags, i add the ones i want, and i hit enter. it's not more work than hitting ctrl-D finding the folder i want offline.

for me, the upside is a.) the community, and since i do actively seek out fic, new articles on my thesis subject, and recipes, it's helpful to me and b.) i use my bookmarks in delicious way more than i ever used my offline bookmarks. i'm constantly referring to information i've put in my delicious bookmarks - fic for other people, my thesis research links in classes. even after i bookmarked things offline, i rarely returned to them. when i converted my bookmarks, i deleted more than 300 dead and duplicate links. i hadn't looked at them in months - what's the point? i actually use delicious to remember things. it works for me - i understand that it doesn't work for everyone.

i'm just selfish and want to get my information from people i like and respect and am interesting in all in one place. :)
 
posted by [identity profile] norah.livejournal.com at 06:42pm on 04/01/2006
How editable are notes after the page is bookmarked? How editable are URLs? I use my browser's bookmarks because of the way I put together recs sets - I need the URL itself to be copy/pasteable from the window, and delicious doesn't seem to offer that. I also need to go back and summarize and refine summaries before posting. I guess my reccage process is messy enough that I'm leary of making it public - I'd rather present the "finished" face to the world than the five million typos, random bookmarks I decide not to rec in the end, and unsummarized whatnot that I keep in my "to rec" bookmarks.
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posted by [identity profile] aukestrel.livejournal.com at 07:00pm on 04/01/2006
Both are very and instantly editable. When you're logged in, each of your links has links at the end: Edit Delete. Click on "edit" and you can change whatever you want to, just like when you originally added the link.
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posted by [identity profile] aukestrel.livejournal.com at 06:59pm on 04/01/2006
"osxbasketballporn" (and if you're tagging that, oh, god, i really don't want to know) is not a good tag.

really! That should be "osxhockeyporn". Jeez, people, get it right!
 
posted by [identity profile] throughadoor.livejournal.com at 07:03pm on 04/01/2006
several things:

a) the problem is that i think i am bad at being social. my social bookmarking tabs are deliberately oblique! almost as oblique as my livejournal tags! clearly i fail at life.

b) i like that my user name shows up on your subs and i didn't even know that you knew that i had a del.icio.us.
 
posted by [identity profile] minervacat.livejournal.com at 07:18pm on 04/01/2006
a.) i am bad at being social, too - i mean, i used to post links every friday and that totally stopped. i use delicious as a replacement for that - it's less contact and more return for other people. :)

b.) i am hoping that during baseball season you will start to post excellent things re: wretchedness in the al east, so i can keep up easily.
 
posted by [identity profile] swmbo.livejournal.com at 07:06pm on 04/01/2006
ohhh, this is just fabulous and I thank you SO MUCH! I have played with del.icio.us so very little but want to use it much more.
 
posted by [identity profile] minervacat.livejournal.com at 07:19pm on 04/01/2006
i hoped it would be helpful for people who were interested but scared!

*squish*
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posted by [personal profile] ursamajor at 07:25pm on 04/01/2006
ooh, this looks fascinating. i got a delicious account awhile back, but didn't realize that it could be used in such interesting and fannish ways.

*work productivity plummets*

(here via friendsfriends, hello!)
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posted by [personal profile] ursamajor at 07:27pm on 04/01/2006
er, and thank you for putting this explanation all together! *scurries off to put it to good use*
 
posted by [identity profile] sophia-helix.livejournal.com at 08:28pm on 04/01/2006
Why don't I use it? I'll simplify from earlier posters' answers: information overload. Not only is the time-consuming task of transferring things to the delicious site exhausting to contemplate (I never even finishing going back through my four years of blogging and memorying it all), but I honestly have begun to avoid getting too much information.

I don't want to go over there and be bombarded with new must-read links every day. I don't want to feel like I need to be keeping really good track of everything interesting I see and do so that I can add it into a social network. I don't even use LJ tags (partly because I'm not on S2), and while I do put many new posts in memories, I only do that if there's a specific category it fits into. And I don't categorize, memorize, or otherwise memorialize other people's content at all. I don't even have a fic booksmarks section on my PC, how's that for low-info? *g*

I have 99 people on my friendlist, and [livejournal.com profile] metafandom already teeters on the edge of giving me too much new information. I am aware of the marvellous brilliance of delicious, because there is such a bewildering forest of information on the internet that it cries out for a way for people to organize and share it. So go them! But I have been online too long, it feels, to keep up with the pace of new-information-gathering, and it's also just not my personality, I think.

OK, that was a really long answer, but it can still be summed up as "information overload." *g*
 
posted by [identity profile] minervacat.livejournal.com at 08:37pm on 04/01/2006
as someone who seeks out new information like food or air, this is completely incomprehensible to me - but i completely respect it. :)
 
posted by (anonymous) at 10:25pm on 04/01/2006
1. i just created an account as furplepig, but there won't be anything in it until at least tonight.

2. this is exceedingly well timed of you, since i just got a hand-me-down laptop for christmas and have to actually coordinate things between multiple locations for the first time in awhile.

3. you're good at this whole explaining thing. when you get done with school, will you come be my personal reference librarian?

4. hi! i've been a hermit lately, but i do exist. is 2006 treating you nicely?
 
posted by [identity profile] minervacat.livejournal.com at 11:03pm on 04/01/2006
1. yay!

2. i started using delicious because i wanted to see how it worked before i decided to focus my research on it, but also because there are plenty of days when i don't take the laptop to campus and i needed things. once you get stuff turned over and are just adding new content, it's awesome.

3. sure i will! i'll even take less than the going market rate if you'll cook for me once in a while.

4. 2006 is treating me pretty well so far; i've been a little under the weather and a lot broke, but neither of those is really new to 2006. how about you? things going well?
 
posted by [identity profile] furplepig.livejournal.com at 10:26pm on 04/01/2006
oh, and um, that was me, if that wasn't already painfully obvious.
 
posted by [identity profile] mousewrites.livejournal.com at 10:55pm on 04/01/2006
How rare. How handy...

Anyway... signed up, I did, and imported my firefly bookmarks. Which means almost no fic (as my bookmarks were from my work computer) but lots of 3d and history links.

Still getting the hang of it, so don't kill me for my bad catagorizing.

Username Mousewrites
 
posted by [identity profile] mousewrites.livejournal.com at 11:18pm on 04/01/2006
firefly bookmars= fireFOX bookmarks. Sheesh.
 
posted by [identity profile] jjtaylor.livejournal.com at 03:13am on 05/01/2006
So, I like del.icio.us about as much as I can understand it, which, you'd think after cataloging, it would be like a second language. But I run into problems like this: I have an x-files tag. I've put the x-files tag into a bundle with other tags and I call this the fic bundle. And then I go and find a post of x-files icons and I gave this post the icon tag and the x-files tag - but then the post which is not fic is in a fic bundle. Do you know what I'm talking about? I don't know what to do at that point, and that's where I feel like I'd be a better del.icio.us user if I were a little more intuitive when it came to cataloging.

 
posted by [identity profile] minervacat.livejournal.com at 03:38am on 05/01/2006
well, for me, the way i dealt with it was to create a bundle called "fandoms" instead of a bundle called "fic" (although i have one of those, too) and so if i bookmarked meta or icons or a soundtrack in a fandom, it had the fandom tag and was in with the fic and the meta and the icons for that fandom - but if i just wanted to see the fic in that fandom, i could choose to look at delicious/minervacat/sga+fic, and then i'd only see fic in the sg:a fandom.

does that make sense? fannishly, i have a tag bundle for fandoms, and one for characters, one for pairings, one for fic (which is, liek, het, slash, gen, h/c, kidfic, etc). so fandom is the overarching tag on fannish bookmarks, and something from one of the other bundles defines the specific media content.

example? when i tag a john/rodney story, i tag it like this: "sga fic slash mckay/sheppard". so it's in the fandom bundle, the fic bundle, and the pairings bundle - but for me, bundles are an easier way to find tags, not an easier way to find links. bundles are for finding tags (and i have somewhere in the hundreds in terms of numbers of tags, so having things bundled helps me scan for a tag more easily) and tags are for finding links. does that make sense?
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posted by [identity profile] queenofalostart.livejournal.com at 03:45am on 05/01/2006
if you have to append "?style=mine" to the bookmark (and i do, because i probably think your s2 layout is ugly and impossible to read), do that.

HA! YES! OMFG YES! Seriously, what is UP with the crazeh people who use the styled comment pages? ARGGGH.

Also, ♥
 
posted by [identity profile] minervacat.livejournal.com at 04:05am on 05/01/2006
well, sometimes i guess it's nice to see your cut-tagged posts on your journal style? and when i first switched to s2, i did it, too. but these days i have the hardest time reading anything that's not in the default style, and i get irrationally irritated when people post fic to their journals with stylized comment layouts.
 
posted by [identity profile] walkingshadow.livejournal.com at 09:56am on 05/01/2006
heh, i get the impression that del.icio.us is tipping. it's been on my radar via other people's RSS syndications for a year or more now, but i just signed up for an account of my own a couple of weeks ago; suddenly more and more people on livejournal are referring to their accounts, or are mentioning getting one, and posts like yours are springing up. the two friends i tried to talk about it with this past week hadn't heard of it at all—but they have now.

seriously, thanks so much for posting these tips. del.icio.us seems to have a pretty hands-off instructional philosophy, just signing you up, telling you the bare minimum, and letting you figure everything out for yourself through experimentation—it's kind of nice, actually. it took me a day or two of playing around to discover bundles (which made my heart SING), how to surf other people's posts with my tags, etc. i don't think it's a perfect system, but it's a good one and a COOL one. i save fanfic to my hard drive, which makes it easy to access when i'm not connected to the internet, but one of my biggest gripes is web pages that don't refer to their own URLs, so i can't find them on the web again, or access the rest of an author's site; i think my newest pet peeve, post-del.icio.us, is going to be stories with no index to their multiple parts. basically, i like the idea of it, i like organization and helpful blurbs, ease of finding and folders-within-folders—honestly, if it turned out del.icio.us didn't have bundles, i would have abandoned the whole thing. as it is, i'm going very slowly with the posting process, since i know that if i change my tagging philosophies at some point (which i have done at least twice already), i'll have to change every bookmark. my instinct is to tag down to the minutest detail, so i know i'm over-tagging right now, but i figure it'll be easier to go back and delete than it would be to add.

and the other day you asked for stargate atlantis stories involving geeky math, so here is an incomplete list of the ones i could find at the moment, tagged under mathporn (http://del.icio.us/walkingshadow/mathporn). though sometimes i conflate it with scienceporn, so. yeah.
 
posted by [identity profile] minervacat.livejournal.com at 01:56pm on 05/01/2006
well, it's really only been in the last year that the idea of user-defined tagging systems has truly exploded; there's a lot of academic literature about it before then, but not so much practical application by the general public. and with yahoo's two big acquisitions this year - delicious and flickr - being prime examples of user-developed tagging, it only follows that it's exploded onto the scene. it's nice for me, really - it's what i'm writing my thesis on. :)

i think my newest pet peeve, post-del.icio.us, is going to be stories with no index to their multiple parts
oh, hell yes. that drives me INSANE. i don't want to clutter up my links with ten individual links to your story, i want one convenient page to bookmark! is that so hard to comprehend?

and also hooray, mathporn! i've read a lot of the ones you've bookmarked but i haven't read all of them, so that's very very exciting. thank you!
 
I'm still not convinced to use del.icio.us (I'll think about it though) but after hearing about it everywhere on the internet (including my flist), I'm glad somebody eventually explained to me what the heck it is. *g*
 
i try to be useful once in a while. *grin*
 
posted by [identity profile] vampiresetsuna.livejournal.com at 03:21am on 07/01/2006
My mild paranoia and too many episodes of Alias prevent me from using it. =P
 
posted by [identity profile] minervacat.livejournal.com at 06:41pm on 07/01/2006
hee, i'm glad i've never watched alias, then. :)
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posted by [identity profile] musesfool.livejournal.com at 03:29am on 15/01/2006
I know I'm not using it as best I should - much like my LJ tags, I started tagging before I thought about how it would work best - but I don't use it for its social aspects but as a way of keeping the "to rec" list accessible no matter where I am, because I was starting to lose URLs and recs I'd already written. (I don't use it for other bookmarks, but then, I don't even use bookmarks much anymore.)

So everything I have is tagged "recs-[fandom]," which I now realize was probably not the way to go, but the thought of reorganizing - adding in fandom, character and pairing bundles - makes me a little queasy.

I also tend to not believe other people are actually using my bookmarks (victoria.p over there), so why does it matter if the tags don't work for anyone but me?

but this is a great post that makes me think maybe I should reorganize. *g*
 
posted by [identity profile] minervacat.livejournal.com at 05:23pm on 15/01/2006
i was lucky enough to get a solid structure set up for myself before i started moving a bunch of stuff over to delicious; there are still some things i'd like to change, occasionally, but with almost 400 stargate: atlantis bookmarks alone? yeah, i hear you on the not wanting to go through the mess of reorganizing. it's a hefty task.

and hey - *i* use your bookmarks over there!
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