minervacat: (ask a librarian)
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i spent a lot of time these days thinking about the distribution of information. it is, technically and to a point, what i do in my job, for one thing - i take information in one form, convert it to another form, and send it to people. (my job is actually much more complicated and frustrating than this, but for the purposes of this post. you know.)

but not just that. i am thinking about the information that exists in the world. and, say, the internet. what did we do before google? there were other search engines, sure, but none of them a.) encompassed the breadth of information that google does, and b.) they weren't nearly as easy for the common man to use as google is. google is a smart search engine.

take, for example, one of my latest obsessions: rochelle mazar's blog posts about the search strings that bring people to her website. not only are they sometimes funny, sometimes heartbreaking, always interesting, but she breaks them down the way only a library or an information professional could and would - by how good of a search they are. there are efficient ways to search, and inefficient ways to search, and most of us probably use both of these methods at various times. (rochelle's blog is syndicated on lj as [livejournal.com profile] mazar, if you're interested; i think it's one of the best professional librarian blogs out there, fwiw.)

but see, my thing about going to library school is - i'd love to be one of those people who makes the internet an easy, logical place to find information. up to date, relevant information. and teaching people to use search engines in a produtive efficient way.

so. you know. information.

the other thing is - i am constantly, mind-blowingly amazed at what the internet thinks up. livejournal, while not always a candidate for a site that gives back to humanity and the information world in a good way, is an incredible invention solely for the communities that it can build. i have flown and driven thousands of miles to meet in real life people i first encountered on livejournal. i count among my closest, dearest, real life friends a large number of people i first met on the internet. livejournal did that. how fucking cool is that?

and take the way the internet disseminates information - this winter, i watched a friend, who had just seen the charlie and the chocolate factory trailer for the first time, marvelling that johnny depp was in this tim burton film of this incredible book, and why wasn't everyone talking about this? and this is not to belittle my friend at all, because he is a smart brilliant guy who i love, but i thought to myself, everyone i know is talking about that, where the fuck have you been? because of how i use the internet, i feel as though i have information ten times faster than a whole huge chunk of the population.

and take audioscrobbler, which is such a clever unique idea that i am pissed off that i did not think of it first. (other things that i am pissed off i did not think of first: baseball, the title "the only living boy in new york", and buffy the vampire slayer.) who thought this up? ten years ago, would something like this have even been a blip on anybody's maybe-someday radar? no. but the internet made it happen, because the technology and the thirst for information allowed it to.

and there's the whole idea of instant communication, which is pretty damn cool, and the whole idea of reinventing the narrative media in storytelling (see also [livejournal.com profile] shoebox_project and [livejournal.com profile] peter_and_fran), and the whole idea of - however much the record companies hate it - shared music, this whole huge way to spread the news about a band where before you were reliant on badly dubbed tapes and mixed cds.

and that is so absolutely amazing, and also it is something that is relevant to my chosen field.

i've never really had a burning academic passion before. some mild obsessions, but never one that consumes me when i'm waiting for the train, boiling water, smoking a cigarette. these days, my default brain setting is not "pretty boys kissing" but instead "isn't the search for information a really wild and crazy fascinating thing". i suppose it's good that i've made this my chosen field, eh? (also, for the record, i still spend an inordinate amount of time thinking about rayk blowing fraser, so it's not like i've been replaced by a pod person or anything. it's just not number one anymore.)

(one of the routinely top hits to my website is "toes", which is vaguely strange until i remember that i have a couple of photos of the tattoo on my foot posted, whose image files are just called "toes.jpg". i wonder if the people who find them are disappointed. (or if the people searching for "twat" are disappointed when they get fully-clothed pictures of [livejournal.com profile] flowery_twat instead of porn.))
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posted by [identity profile] norah.livejournal.com at 03:48pm on 18/04/2005
Oh my GOD. I love the search strings posts. I used to wonder why my google-fu was so comparatively strong, why I could find things other people couldn't. I mean, we all have access to the same tools, right? But apparently many people have no clue how this stuff works. Thanks for the pointer!
 
posted by [identity profile] greyhame.livejournal.com at 03:55pm on 18/04/2005
Oh, wow. That's Sun Wukong! My brother and I grew up with those books, because my uncle, who does business in Mongolia, had given them to us, and for years I was always surprised that other people didn't know them. Then I got used to the idea, and now I'm surprised when other people do.
 
posted by [identity profile] norah.livejournal.com at 04:03pm on 18/04/2005
So it is! But we're all part of that weird liberal-arts private-college eclectic-education cabal, so the same sorts of odd "hey, how do you know that?!" stuff will show up more often, I think. It still amazes me, though, how few Americans know the Monkey King, except through anime bastardizations like Saiyuki.
 
posted by [identity profile] minervacat.livejournal.com at 03:59pm on 18/04/2005
her whole blog is fascinating - or at least it is for a future librarian type person like me - but the search string posts are the best, because a.) they're really interesting sociological commentary on their own, in a lot of ways and b.) they help me hone my own search skills!

she's syndicated on lj as [livejournal.com profile] mazar if you're interested.
 
posted by [identity profile] norah.livejournal.com at 04:03pm on 18/04/2005
Added, thanks!
 
posted by [identity profile] treehavn.livejournal.com at 05:11pm on 18/04/2005
Hell, I had the honor of going to library school with her. I swear I only did as well as I did because she was there for inspiration when it all got a bit too much.
 
posted by [identity profile] minervacat.livejournal.com at 05:28pm on 18/04/2005
hee, really? that's so cool. she's really got a sharp mind for the information side of the field, which is where a lot of my primary interests (at least, heading into my first semester of school) lie.

i love your icon, btw.
 
posted by [identity profile] boniblithe.livejournal.com at 02:47am on 19/04/2005
i count among my closest, dearest, real life friends a large number of people i first met on the internet.

That's how I feel about [livejournal.com profile] mazar :)
 
posted by [identity profile] minervacat.livejournal.com at 03:06am on 19/04/2005
hee. yes. she said. :D
 
posted by [identity profile] treehavn.livejournal.com at 07:57am on 19/04/2005
For some reason I ended up doing a lot of public library courses at library school, which is entertaining because - since finishing the degree and returning to my home country - I've worked in academic and specialist libraries only.

Yes, I figured I'd just let her get on with being the information genius, since my brain can't even begin to compete. How are you finding library school, btw?
 
posted by [identity profile] minervacat.livejournal.com at 05:36pm on 19/04/2005
i haven't actually started school yet. *sheepish* i start my degree in august. and i am beyond excited about it. :D
 
posted by [identity profile] offscreen.livejournal.com at 03:59pm on 18/04/2005
i count among my closest, dearest, real life friends a large number of people i first met on the internet.

I visited Los Angeles for the first time because of internet friends. When I moved, my best friend of four years helped me drive out... after knowing me on the internet for four years and meeting me in person once. I moved in with a girl I met on the internet. I got my first job in LA through a friend I met on the internet. I spent all day yesterday [and will spend all next weekend] hanging out with a friend I met on Livejournal. And another one of my internet friends is just about to move here. I owe basically my entire social and professional life to the internet... it's pretty amazing.
 
posted by [identity profile] minervacat.livejournal.com at 03:07am on 19/04/2005
it is, isn't it? <3
 
posted by [identity profile] lasultrix.livejournal.com at 04:04pm on 18/04/2005
Y'know, I googled 'toes' the other day out of curiosity about this and couldn't see your website on the top thirty hits. Is it just 'toes' on its own, or in conjunction with something else, that leads people to your site?
 
posted by [identity profile] minervacat.livejournal.com at 04:09pm on 18/04/2005
it's just toes on its own. which is what makes it so damn bizarre.

mostly the hits seem to be coming from image search engines, though. so maybe it's a higher hit there? who knows.
 
posted by [identity profile] voleuse.livejournal.com at 04:14pm on 18/04/2005
Oooh. Thanks for the link. I actually want to share it with my students--her notes on search strings are far more helpful than any of the teaching materials I've been given on the topic.
 
posted by [identity profile] minervacat.livejournal.com at 04:23pm on 18/04/2005
why is it so hard to teach people to use search engines in a smart way, do you think? because like rochelle suggests, most people think of google as their own personal reference librarian? i have no idea, but the more posts of hers i read on it, the more i think i want to write a thesis on it.

hope it's helpful in your class!
 
posted by [identity profile] notemily.livejournal.com at 04:56pm on 18/04/2005
On the amazingness of Google - yesterday my friends and I were having an argument about whether the Hufflepuff colors were black and yellow (of course) or brown and yellow, so I typed "Hufflepuff house colors" into Google and at the top of the page, before any of the results, was a little thing that said "Hufflepuff. Colors: yellow and black."

SEE?? (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&c2coff=1&rls=GGLD%2CGGLD%3A2003-48%2CGGLD%3Aen&q=hufflepuff+house+colors)
 
posted by [identity profile] minervacat.livejournal.com at 05:01pm on 18/04/2005
i think if google would just out-and-out declare that it wanted to be the world's research librarian for this millennium, everything would be much much easier. :D
 
posted by [identity profile] pearl-o.livejournal.com at 05:24pm on 18/04/2005
other things that i am pissed off i did not think of first: baseball, the title "the only living boy in new york", and buffy the vampire slayer.)

*heart*

these days, my default brain setting is not "pretty boys kissing" but instead "isn't the search for information a really wild and crazy fascinating thing". i suppose it's good that i've made this my chosen field, eh? (also, for the record, i still spend an inordinate amount of time thinking about rayk blowing fraser, so it's not like i've been replaced by a pod person or anything. it's just not number one anymore.)

Obviously what you need to do is COMBINE ray blowing fraser AND the search for information. *nod*
 
posted by [identity profile] minervacat.livejournal.com at 05:30pm on 18/04/2005
Obviously what you need to do is COMBINE ray blowing fraser AND the search for information. *nod*

ray blowing fraser in a library? like, in the reference stacks? or, oooooh, maybe spread out over a table where they're looking at, like, topographical maps for the northern terroritories, and ray sort of slithers under the table and sticks his hand down fraser's pants and fraser's all, "RAY! NOT IN THE LIBRARY!" because he's totally got a fear of librarians thing from living with his grandparents. and of course ray doesn't stop, and fraser ends up clutching the table until his knuckles are white and wrinkling all the maps terribly.

um. i mean. that sounds like an excellent idea. *serious face*
 
posted by [identity profile] pearl-o.livejournal.com at 05:53pm on 18/04/2005
LIBRARY PORN! <3333333333.

Have you read [livejournal.com profile] resonant8's gorgeous little F/K library fic? 'S here (http://trickster.org/res/reference.html).
 
posted by [identity profile] minervacat.livejournal.com at 06:19pm on 18/04/2005
oh, oh! that story! that story is so perfect and wonderful and warm! i want to wrap myself in it and take a nap, it's so perfect.

and now i want to write library porn, too. mmmmm. library porn.
 
posted by [identity profile] pearl-o.livejournal.com at 06:46pm on 18/04/2005
Also, you mentioning topographic maps makes me giggle and think of this exchange from "Easy Money":

[Cut to Fraser and RayK. Dief is waiting for them at the entrance to the Power Building]
RayK: How'd he beat us?
Fraser: Well, he must have taken a short cut.
RayK: He knows short cuts?
Fraser: Well he does study maps.
RayK: What kind of maps?
Fraser: Road maps, street maps, topographic maps.


If there is anything I can do to encourage the production of library porn, please let me know..
 
posted by [identity profile] minervacat.livejournal.com at 07:36pm on 18/04/2005
If there is anything I can do to encourage the production of library porn, please let me know..

if you could clear my schedule at work for a couple of weeks, that would be the biggest help. i have lots of porn ideas, and no time to write them!

it's a tragedy. remind me why we don't get paid to write fic, again?
 
posted by [identity profile] pearl-o.livejournal.com at 01:37am on 19/04/2005
it's a tragedy. remind me why we don't get paid to write fic, again?

Because the WORLD FAILS.

Also, you know. Copyright issues and stuff? Whatever.

(Also, are you still looking for Twitch City? There are links to downloads for the first season here (http://www.livejournal.com/users/versaphile/1221889.html).
 
posted by [identity profile] minervacat.livejournal.com at 01:59am on 19/04/2005
dude! twitch city! you are the greatest. thank you so much for those. i can't wait to watch. (and while i'm watching, if you want caps of anything, let me know.)

Because the WORLD FAILS.

the world totally loses at life. i fire the world.

tomorrow, library porn. i decree it. whether i have too much work or not, i will start the library porn.
 
posted by [identity profile] furplepig.livejournal.com at 06:41pm on 18/04/2005
man, i think about that stuff all the time too. (and maybe someday, google will pay me to think about it.) it's usually from a bit more of an AI angle than a librarian one, but still. i love the way the internet and its users slowly teach each other how to get along... sort of the way dogs and their owners do. i mean, i know google has me fairly well trained. :)

in The Future, i want to be able to give google a jpeg and have it tell me what it's a picture of, what sites are devoted to the subject, where i can buy one, and some sort of probabilistic analysis of where in the world i must be to have taken it. like, i could snap a picture on my cell phone, send it to google, and have it give me directions to the post office.

also, i had to stop reading those search string posts, because although my officemate is a nerd, he's not that kind of nerd, and i just don't think he'd understand why they had me snorting and giggling for 20 minutes straight.
 
posted by [identity profile] minervacat.livejournal.com at 07:34pm on 18/04/2005
you know what, kate? i love the fact that the development of the internet and its resources are directly linked to what its users want it to do for them. your google idea is an exact example of it.

now i sort of want to plug "what do you want google to do for you" into google, except that it's a faulty, clunky search string. oh, the difficulties of finding answers!

<3
 
posted by [identity profile] furplepig.livejournal.com at 07:42pm on 18/04/2005
exactly. and yet, just like you said with audioscrobbler, a few years ago i couldn't have imagined i'd want such a thing. what we want of the internet is being shaped by what's already out there. it's this big, symbiotic, co-evolutionary, emergent thing, and i love it.
 
posted by [identity profile] minervacat.livejournal.com at 08:09pm on 18/04/2005
some days i want to marry the internet, because it is brilliant and funny and interesting, and some days i want to beat the internet to death, because it is stupid and mean and left its dirty dishes on the floor by my side of the bed.

it's kind of like michael, actually, this internet thing. *g*
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posted by [personal profile] starfishchick at 07:24pm on 18/04/2005
Those search strings are excellent, as are her commentaries.

As are you. And I'm sorry you didn't invent baseball, too.
 
posted by [identity profile] minervacat.livejournal.com at 07:35pm on 18/04/2005
if i had invented baseball, i would be rich now!
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posted by [personal profile] starfishchick at 07:39pm on 18/04/2005
*makes you commissioner*
 
posted by [identity profile] furplepig.livejournal.com at 07:43pm on 18/04/2005
nope. if you had invented baseball, you'd be dead now.
 
posted by [identity profile] minervacat.livejournal.com at 08:10pm on 18/04/2005
ha. point.

MY DESCENDANTS WOULD BE RICH, THOUGH!
 
posted by [identity profile] soultoad.livejournal.com at 12:27am on 19/04/2005
Min, I wanted to let you know that I'm not at all sure how you got de-friended from my journal but I'm fixing it right NOW. You don't have to add me back, but I enjoy reading your posts, even if I don't always post, and I'd really rather not give them up. I was tinkering with managing my friends so I may very well have clicked on something inadvertently, but I never meant to de-friend you. We smokers have to stick together. *grins*

And I agree with what you say about the internet. I live way out in the country, and I doubt I would've stayed here all these years after my husband died if not for internet...I would've been too lonely. As it is, I come home and all my friends are here. :)
 
posted by [identity profile] minervacat.livejournal.com at 12:59am on 19/04/2005
oh, rosie, hon, thank you. i'm trying to cut my lj time until i get all the moving-gradschool-huge-life-changes stuff under control, and then i will be adding everyone back. promise. <3

As it is, I come home and all my friends are here
i know exactly what you mean. *grin*
 
posted by (anonymous) at 01:43am on 19/04/2005
Thanks for the props! Are you in library school? Which one?

[livejournal.com profile] mazar
 
posted by [identity profile] minervacat.livejournal.com at 01:56am on 19/04/2005
i'm starting my mlis at the university of north carolina-chapel hill in august. with, of course, a particular interest in digital libraries and online information.

and. um. you're welcome. i'm a bit of a fangirl of your blog, if you can't tell. :)
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posted by [personal profile] starfishchick at 07:08pm on 19/04/2005
Thanks for the link to mazar. I've added her too. *fangirls you both*

this winter, i watched a friend, who had just seen the charlie and the chocolate factory trailer for the first time, marvelling that johnny depp was in this tim burton film of this incredible book, and why wasn't everyone talking about this? and this is not to belittle my friend at all, because he is a smart brilliant guy who i love, but i thought to myself, everyone i know is talking about that, where the fuck have you been?

This JUST happened to me today!!
 
posted by [identity profile] minervacat.livejournal.com at 08:54pm on 19/04/2005
how does this happen? who are these people, and what rocks are they living under?
 
posted by [identity profile] myriad69.livejournal.com at 08:48pm on 19/04/2005
I was right with you for most of this post, thinking about the power of search engines, and how information on the internet is so static and how you can find as many untrue things as true things and how the internet has created huge communities and how I'm so happy I'm part of all this and how mad I am that I didn't think of it first and then....

You mentioned RayK blowing Fraser and my brain kinda stuck there.
 
posted by [identity profile] minervacat.livejournal.com at 08:55pm on 19/04/2005
You mentioned RayK blowing Fraser and my brain kinda stuck there.

i'mma write [livejournal.com profile] pearl_o library porn at some point. *wicked*
 
posted by [identity profile] myriad69.livejournal.com at 12:45am on 20/04/2005
You know what's funny? What's funny is I remember a time not too long ago when Due South was on Showcase all the bloody time and I never ever watched it, and now I'm ACHING to see it and I can't. That's what's funny.

Except by "funny", I mean "heartbreaking".

And I vote "yes" to Library Porn.

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